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		<title>By: Are we there yet? &#171; Sarah Ditum</title>
		<link>http://sarahditum.com/2009/02/16/paperhouse-reads-freakonomics/#comment-2644</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Are we there yet? &#171; Sarah Ditum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] belief that remedying symptoms can eradicate underlying causes. (Freakonomics, incidentally, has an alternative explanation for why broken windows may have seemed to work in New York, and it’s an interesting one for [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] belief that remedying symptoms can eradicate underlying causes. (Freakonomics, incidentally, has an alternative explanation for why broken windows may have seemed to work in New York, and it’s an interesting one for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Can a paywall pay for News International? &#171; Paperhouse</title>
		<link>http://sarahditum.com/2009/02/16/paperhouse-reads-freakonomics/#comment-1458</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Can a paywall pay for News International? &#171; Paperhouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of people will voluntarily pay for things they could take for free. In Freakonomics, Steven Levitt gives the example of a bagel seller who left baskets of bagels in workplaces, with [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of people will voluntarily pay for things they could take for free. In Freakonomics, Steven Levitt gives the example of a bagel seller who left baskets of bagels in workplaces, with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The price of things &#171; Paperhouse</title>
		<link>http://sarahditum.com/2009/02/16/paperhouse-reads-freakonomics/#comment-1274</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The price of things &#171; Paperhouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] decision making, Mindhacks, rational actors, scams, speculation by Sarah   A while ago, when I wrote a review of Freakonomics, I got a comment from a reader who made it quite clear that they didn&#8217;t think I knew the hell [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] decision making, Mindhacks, rational actors, scams, speculation by Sarah   A while ago, when I wrote a review of Freakonomics, I got a comment from a reader who made it quite clear that they didn&#8217;t think I knew the hell [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cian</title>
		<link>http://sarahditum.com/2009/02/16/paperhouse-reads-freakonomics/#comment-809</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s not really her argument, though. She&#039;s saying that Levitt&#039;s theories are based upon a theory of rational actors (that nobody other than economists believe because its bollocks - and even economists are starting to doubt it), while his theorising consists of imagining what he&#039;d do in each of those situations. Everything else follows from those two observations.

So for example. I can imagine that if I was a Sumo wrestler I&#039;d be constantly worried about injuries, so I&#039;d be disinclined to put much effort into matches that don&#039;t matter. Is this what happens? I don&#039;t know, and neither does Levitt. Maybe its a social convention of the sport? Maybe its a collection of complex and interrelated things. Now if I was a real researcher, rather than an economist, I might do some research and find out.

The stuff on baby names. I mean that might be why people do it, but think back to when you picked baby names. Does it still seem plausible? Hang around a poorer neighbourhood and listen to people discuss possible names. Still convinced?

As for rationality. People don&#039;t make decisions rationally, or for that matter irrationally. Just not how we&#039;re wired.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not really her argument, though. She&#8217;s saying that Levitt&#8217;s theories are based upon a theory of rational actors (that nobody other than economists believe because its bollocks &#8211; and even economists are starting to doubt it), while his theorising consists of imagining what he&#8217;d do in each of those situations. Everything else follows from those two observations.</p>
<p>So for example. I can imagine that if I was a Sumo wrestler I&#8217;d be constantly worried about injuries, so I&#8217;d be disinclined to put much effort into matches that don&#8217;t matter. Is this what happens? I don&#8217;t know, and neither does Levitt. Maybe its a social convention of the sport? Maybe its a collection of complex and interrelated things. Now if I was a real researcher, rather than an economist, I might do some research and find out.</p>
<p>The stuff on baby names. I mean that might be why people do it, but think back to when you picked baby names. Does it still seem plausible? Hang around a poorer neighbourhood and listen to people discuss possible names. Still convinced?</p>
<p>As for rationality. People don&#8217;t make decisions rationally, or for that matter irrationally. Just not how we&#8217;re wired.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://sarahditum.com/2009/02/16/paperhouse-reads-freakonomics/#comment-720</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah! Signifiers! The curse of twentieth century philosophy! Those tidy little imperialists that tried to rationalise language, the unconscious, incest, ritual, religion and every other mysterious little corner of human, irrational tom-foolery! 

I hear ya.

Still, all of this would make brilliant reading for next year&#039;s Foucault seminars (provided they happen). People not as individuals but as populations and all that. I still say that you are talking complete sense. I like my rationalism as much as the next man, thanks. Give me one Ben Goldacre over a rabble of prayer-mumbling homeopaths anyday!

Fight the good fight!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah! Signifiers! The curse of twentieth century philosophy! Those tidy little imperialists that tried to rationalise language, the unconscious, incest, ritual, religion and every other mysterious little corner of human, irrational tom-foolery! </p>
<p>I hear ya.</p>
<p>Still, all of this would make brilliant reading for next year&#8217;s Foucault seminars (provided they happen). People not as individuals but as populations and all that. I still say that you are talking complete sense. I like my rationalism as much as the next man, thanks. Give me one Ben Goldacre over a rabble of prayer-mumbling homeopaths anyday!</p>
<p>Fight the good fight!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess my take is that the Freakonomics analysis doesn&#039;t treat every human as individually rational, but that the trends you find in the numbers show people responding fairly consistently to certain stimuli. These numbers tell you about populations, not individuals. But I think my romantic conception of self got shattered when I read Bourdieu and found myself pretty solidly pegged in his definition of middle class. I&#039;m just a happy little bundle of signifiers these days...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess my take is that the Freakonomics analysis doesn&#8217;t treat every human as individually rational, but that the trends you find in the numbers show people responding fairly consistently to certain stimuli. These numbers tell you about populations, not individuals. But I think my romantic conception of self got shattered when I read Bourdieu and found myself pretty solidly pegged in his definition of middle class. I&#8217;m just a happy little bundle of signifiers these days&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that! (It&#039;s nice to read something to really kick my brain into being after so, so very many essays and admin mechanics...)

I read your post and I agreed, of course, but, if you don&#039;t mind me asking, can I agree with Falvery as well? Not for all the right reasons, but my usual poles of influence are pulling me in all sorts of &#039;yeah but&#039;s....

There&#039;s the Foucault angle, I think, which I think your post and Falvery&#039;s together cover. The assumptions in this book are hopelessly embroiled to a particular conception of human nature (i.e. rationalist), that can be oppressive, damaging, limiting (Falvery) but also and simultaneously can be productive and, really, not such a bad thing, when the alternative is to succumb to the irrationality that is still all too prevalent in the world (which is a gross oversimplification of what you&#039;re saying?).

And for me you are also right, implicitly, on the score that, regardless of how we like to see ourselves, these are the beings that we have made ourselves into. If we want to be something different, a more fundamental change is needed.

Then there&#039;s the (more comical) Freudian side of me, that wants to ask: but really, are we so rational? Surely such formulas are only attempts to impose reason on chaos, to control and quantify the irrationality that is human decision making?

(Which, of course, is what Freud was trying to do himself  in the first place...)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that! (It&#8217;s nice to read something to really kick my brain into being after so, so very many essays and admin mechanics&#8230;)</p>
<p>I read your post and I agreed, of course, but, if you don&#8217;t mind me asking, can I agree with Falvery as well? Not for all the right reasons, but my usual poles of influence are pulling me in all sorts of &#8216;yeah but&#8217;s&#8230;.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s the Foucault angle, I think, which I think your post and Falvery&#8217;s together cover. The assumptions in this book are hopelessly embroiled to a particular conception of human nature (i.e. rationalist), that can be oppressive, damaging, limiting (Falvery) but also and simultaneously can be productive and, really, not such a bad thing, when the alternative is to succumb to the irrationality that is still all too prevalent in the world (which is a gross oversimplification of what you&#8217;re saying?).</p>
<p>And for me you are also right, implicitly, on the score that, regardless of how we like to see ourselves, these are the beings that we have made ourselves into. If we want to be something different, a more fundamental change is needed.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the (more comical) Freudian side of me, that wants to ask: but really, are we so rational? Surely such formulas are only attempts to impose reason on chaos, to control and quantify the irrationality that is human decision making?</p>
<p>(Which, of course, is what Freud was trying to do himself  in the first place&#8230;)</p>
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